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22 December 2023

Episode 304: The Longevity Secret Everyone's Talking About: NAD+ Exposed with Expert Panel!

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster13:00

Why a Supplement Label May Not Match the Bottle

The panel contrasts marketing claims with manufacturing and research evidence. Mona Rosene describes internal, external, and third-party testing, an external research programme, and an analysis in which almost two-thirds of sampled NMN products allegedly failed to meet label claims.

  • The company says it runs 22 quality, safety, and purity tests
  • Its external research programme supplies active material and placebo
  • Most participating studies are described as third-party controlled
  • A market analysis reportedly found widespread label-claim failures

we do over 22 different tests internal and external thirdparty tests for quality for safety and for Purity on niagen

Mona Rosene · 13:00

almost two-thirds of those products did not have or meet label claim

Mona Rosene · 15:00
#supplement quality#third-party testing#research#labels

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take40:00

The Audience Questions That Exposed the Evidence Gaps

A practitioner challenges the panel on whether increasing NAD is a meaningful endpoint and asks about cellular-aging markers and cardiovascular measures. The answers acknowledge that the cited human studies focused on inflammatory markers, did not directly examine other biological-aging measures, and offered no specific ApoB evidence.

  • Increasing NAD alone is challenged as an insufficient endpoint
  • Seven cited studies reportedly found lower inflammatory markers
  • The panel acknowledges a lack of other biological-aging measures
  • No specific ApoB studies are offered

just increasing NAD levels alone isn't a specific end point

Dr Molina · 40:00

we haven't looked at different biological aging um markers other than those inflammatory ones

Mona Rosene · 41:00
#evidence gaps#biomarkers#apob#inflammation

Explainer· 5

Explainer03:30

What NAD Does Inside Living Cells

Mona Rosene defines NAD as nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide and says it is present in every living cell. She describes it as participating in hundreds of cellular chemical processes and says levels decline over time and with metabolic stress.

  • NAD is found in plant and animal cells
  • It participates in more than 500 cellular chemical processes
  • The panel links declining levels to age and metabolic stress

it's a molecule that's found in every living cell plants and animals and it's involved in over 500 different chemical processes in the cell

Mona Rosene · 03:30

if our bodies lose NAD which they do over time and exposure to metabolic stress

Mona Rosene · 04:00
#nad#cell biology#aging
Explainer10:30

NR vs NMN: The Structural Argument Explained

Mona Rosene argues that NMN's phosphate makes it too large to cross the cell membrane directly, so the body first breaks it down into NR. She also presents comparative efficiency and molecular-weight claims, then says an FDA decision prohibited NMN's use in US supplements.

  • NMN has a phosphate attached
  • The panel says NMN is broken down into NR before cellular entry
  • NR is described as converting to NAD in two enzymatic steps
  • The speaker cites an FDA restriction on NMN supplements

with that phosphate it makes the molecule too big to cross the cell membrane

Mona Rosene · 11:00

your body has to break that down and ironically it actually is broken down into NR and then NR can cross the cell membrane

Mona Rosene · 11:00
#nr#nmn#nad#supplements
Explainer22:30

How the Panel Uses NAD in Addiction and Detox Care

Dr Abe Malkin describes NAD supplementation as part of his addiction and detox practice. He says toxin exposure can impair cellular energy and links that state to fatigue, irritability, and brain fog, while distinguishing intensive IV use during detox from more accessible daily oral supplementation.

  • The speaker says addiction patients may consume NAD more rapidly
  • Toxin exposure is linked to less efficient cellular energy production
  • Fatigue, irritability, and brain fog are cited in this cohort
  • IV frequency is individualized and oral use is presented as more accessible

in the addiction space NAD has been very helpful for patients struggling with addiction trying to feel nor normal and trying to regulate their body

Dr Abe Malkin · 23:00

the toxins in their body essentially destroy the cellular energy that they're producing and Mak cells less efficient

Dr Abe Malkin · 23:30
#addiction#detox#nad#cellular energy
Explainer31:30

Why Muscle Becomes More Important After 35

Dr Abe Malkin characterizes muscle as anti-inflammatory tissue and contrasts it with pro-inflammatory fat and other tissues. He recommends combining strength training with cardiovascular metabolic exercise as people age, linking muscle building with lower inflammation and oxidative stress.

  • Muscle is described as anti-inflammatory tissue
  • Strength training complements cardiovascular exercise
  • The panel emphasizes the practice after roughly age 35 to 40
  • Claimed benefits extend beyond maintaining NAD levels

muscle is a anti-inflammatory type of tissue as opposed to fat or other types of tissues are pro-inflammatory

Dr Abe Malkin · 32:00

building and strength training as part of your routine is incredibly important it will lower your inflammation reduce oxidative stress

Dr Abe Malkin · 32:00
#strength training#muscle#inflammation#healthy aging
Explainer37:00

What the Panel Claims About 300 mg vs 1,000 mg

The panel discusses an eight-week study in which 300 milligrams allegedly raised NAD about 50% above baseline and 1,000 milligrams raised it about 150%. Mona Rosene says the levels then held over the study period and frames the higher dose as a way to maintain a higher baseline with fewer capsules.

  • The cited comparison comes from an eight-week study
  • A 300-milligram dose is associated with a roughly 50% rise
  • A 1,000-milligram dose is associated with a roughly 150% rise
  • The panel says age and metabolic stress affect consumption and production

over half of our clinical studies are using a th000 milligrams and there's also another percentage not quite the other half but about the other…

Mona Rosene · 37:00

the unique thing about a th000 is that it goes up to 150% from your Baseline and then again it holds it there over the…

Mona Rosene · 38:30
#nad#dose response#clinical studies#aging

Story· 1

Story05:00

The Fertility Anecdote Behind Dr Amy's NAD Use

Dr Amy links age-related NAD decline with declining egg supply and describes a 43-year-old IVF patient who introduced her to the supplement after reading a mouse study. The story is a striking patient anecdote, not controlled evidence that the supplement caused the reported IVF outcome.

  • Dr Amy focuses on preserving egg-cell function in fertility care
  • A patient found an NAD mouse study and experimented on herself
  • The reported IVF cycle surprised the doctor
  • The segment offers anecdotal rather than causal human evidence

as NAD levels go down and it starts going down in our 30s that's the same age that our egg supply also dwindles

Dr Amy · 05:00

she was 43 years old and I said if I didn't know you I would have said you

Dr Amy · 06:00
#fertility#ivf#nad#anecdote

Q&A· 1

Q&A16:00

Can You Tell If Your NAD Is Low?

Asked about physical signs of low NAD, Dr Abe connects deficiency with fatigue, weaker workouts, and difficulty with cognition, memory, and focus. He frames those symptoms as part of aging and cellular energy decline, but the discussion does not establish them as specific diagnostic signs.

  • The panel associates NAD decline with aging after 30
  • Fatigue and reduced workout performance are cited
  • Cognition, memory, and focus difficulties are also cited
  • The symptoms discussed are broad and non-specific

you fatigue uh you know workouts aren't as good difficulties with cognition memory Focus things like that

Dr Abe Malkin · 16:30

at its very core energy production is really what makes you feel you youthful and as you age that starts to decline

Dr Abe Malkin · 17:00
#nad#fatigue#cognition#aging

Tool· 1

Tool21:30

The Two Checks Athletes Make Before Using NAD

Todd Anderson says athletes first look for NSF certification because they are accountable for what enters their bodies. He also notes that Olympic anti-doping rules restrict IV volumes above 50 milligrams without a therapeutic use exemption, making an oral supplement operationally simpler in that context.

  • NSF certification is treated as a key athlete screening signal
  • The panel translates certification as confirming that the bottle matches its label
  • Olympic athletes face restrictions on larger IV use
  • Oral supplementation avoids the IV exemption process discussed

if it's not NSF certified supplement they're not going to touch it because you're responsible for that going to your body

Todd Anderson · 21:30

with Olympic sports usada W you cannot get an IV over 50 milligrams without a Tue a therapeutic use exemption

Todd Anderson · 22:00
#athletes#nsf#anti-doping#supplements

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway45:00

The Panel's Key NAD Caution for Active Cancer

Asked who should not take NAD, Dr Abe Malkin says he coordinates with oncology providers for patients with active cancer. He does not claim that NAD causes cancer-cell proliferation, but says it must be considered alongside the patient's overall treatment plan.

  • Active cancer triggers an oncology consultation
  • The panel avoids calling NAD automatically unsafe in cancer
  • Cancer treatment interactions require plan-level consideration
  • The speaker does not add NAD without the oncology provider

patients who have active cancer I work in conjunction with their oncologists to make sure that they are

Dr Abe Malkin · 45:00

we don't put patients on it without consultation with their uh oncology providers

Dr Abe Malkin · 46:00
#cancer#oncology#nad#safety