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Dr. Leonard Sax21 January 2025

Episode 417: Dr. Leonard Sax: The Collapse of Parenting and the Rise of Childhood Anxiety and Depression

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster35:00

Why High-Achieving Schools Can Raise Anxiety Risk

The episode challenges the assumption that household income itself explains anxiety among affluent children. Sax describes Suniya Luthar's research as finding that attendance at a high-achieving school is the stronger risk marker, with social comparison proposed as the mechanism.

  • The risk pattern follows school context more closely than household income
  • Low-income scholarship students at high-achieving schools can also be at risk
  • Comparing a child with exceptional peers can fuel anxiety and depression
  • The healthier reference point is the child's own development

Kids who are attending high-performing schools are the kids who are at greatest risk.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 36:30

You want your kid to focus on being the best that she can be. But comparing your kid to other kids is a major risk…

Dr. Leonard Sax · 38:00
#schools#social-comparison#anxiety#achievement
Myth Buster52:00

Not All Adolescent Anxiety Is a Disorder

Sax distinguishes ordinary uncertainty in adolescence from anxiety that necessarily warrants medication. Decisions about education, work, and future relationships naturally create discomfort, and he argues that American culture too readily pathologizes those feelings.

  • Uncertainty about the future can produce normal anxiety
  • A distressing feeling does not automatically establish a disorder
  • Medication should not be the default response to ordinary developmental uncertainty
  • Sax says the evidence and risks differ between SSRIs and stimulants

It's normal to feel anxious about those things.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 52:00

And we have pathized a lot of the normal anxiety of adolescence.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 52:30
#adolescence#anxiety#mental-health#medication

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take03:30

The Smartphone Theory Has a Cross-Cultural Blind Spot

Sax argues that smartphones alone cannot explain rising youth anxiety and depression because comparable increases are not seen in some non-English-speaking countries where children also use smartphones. He points to broken intergenerational bonds and a more peer-dominated culture as additional variables that deserve attention.

  • Smartphone access exists beyond the countries showing the reported surge
  • The pattern appears concentrated in the English-speaking world
  • A complete explanation must examine culture as well as technology

this surge in anxiety and depression that is quite rightly a focus of his concern is not seen outside the English speaking world.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 03:30

kids in Greece, kids in Russia are just as likely to have smartphones as kids in in England and the United States and Canada and…

Dr. Leonard Sax · 04:00
#anxiety#smartphones#culture#cross-cultural

Explainer· 2

Explainer09:00

How Children's TV Flipped From Character to Fame

Sax cites a UCLA analysis of popular youth television across five decades. He says the study found stable emphasis on truth, friendship, and doing the right thing through 1997, followed by a sharp shift by 2007 toward fame, winning, likes, and followers.

  • Researchers coded popular shows on 16 parameters
  • Doing the right thing led the rankings through 1997
  • By 2007 fame and winning had moved to the top
  • Sax links the shift to a wider culture of disrespect

they found that between 1997 and 2007, American culture flipped upside down and suddenly being famous, winning went from number 15 to number one between…

Dr. Leonard Sax · 10:00

Social media they believe transformed American culture because suddenly what really mattered is likes and followers.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 10:30
#media#values#fame#social-media
Explainer28:00

Normophobia: When Being Normal Becomes Socially Uncool

Sax uses Mary Harrington's term “normophobia” for a culture in which being typical or conforming feels boring and struggle becomes part of a young person's social identity. He connects this dynamic to cognitive behavioural therapy's premise that repeated patterns of thought can intensify anxiety and depression.

  • Labels can become a way to build a distinctive identity
  • Typical and conforming are framed as undesirable
  • Repeatedly interpreting oneself as anxious may intensify anxiety
  • Sax says parents often fail to recognise this cultural incentive

English speaking kids are uh reluctant to be normal. They've got to have something to talk about to to be their brand that I'm neurode…

Dr. Leonard Sax · 30:30

The way you think determines how you feel.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 31:30
#normophobia#identity#anxiety#social-media

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:00:00

Three Family-Level Drivers of Childhood Obesity

Sax highlights three contributors to rising childhood obesity: less physical activity, insufficient sleep, and children choosing too much of the wrong food. His food example argues that parents should decide what is served rather than replacing a nutritious meal with each child's preferred takeaway.

  • Sax says US childhood obesity rose from 4% in 1971 to 20% today
  • Reduced activity lowers fitness and energy expenditure
  • Insufficient sleep disrupts appetite and metabolism
  • Parent-led meals reduce children's ability to default to highly palatable food

In 1971, 4% of American kids were obese. Today, 20% of American kids are obese.

Dr. Leonard Sax · 1:00:00

So the three things why kids are more obese and less fit are, of course, less activity. The other the second is less sleep than…

Jennifer Cohen · 1:04:00
#obesity#sleep#nutrition#activity#parenting